Not to dampen enthusiasm (hey, I can't wait for my deluxe box to get here in the mail!), but this reviewer is a
bit biased - he must be a personal friend of Neal, as he "took pictures and video during the Transatlantic Whirlwind sessions in April, 2009".
I haven't heard a note of Whirlwind yet (I don't want to pre-bias myself by listening to the seemingly-available-everywhere 12-minute promo), but my
suspicion is that with an album this big and comprehensive, that no review will really be able to provide trustworthy guidance on whether someone else will
like it or not. It's hard for me to believe I could like any album better than BAF (one of the few "perfect albums" in existence, to my mind),
but if nothing else, it'll sure be nice to have an hour and a half of new music to chew on.
I'm certainly waiting anxiously for the postman to deliver the box set to me!
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I got mine tonight and I settled down with headphones to give The Whirlwind a full uninterrupted pass. First let me just say the deluxe box is well designed.
It looks great. It's impossible at this moment to give a moment to moment review, but I can say what it is like. It is a lot of Neal moments from Sola and
from Lifeline. There are also a lot of nods to BAF and SMPTe. It has a lot of Flower King moments. It has passing nods to Zappa for sure and Momentary Lapse /
Division Bell Pink Floyd as well. Pretty much exactly what we listen to Transatlantic for. There are plenty of original moments that crop up, new to this disc.
The musicianship is stunning. Neal and Roine really sing with passion as do Pete and Mike, though mostly in the gorgeous backing vocals. Pete is the real
underdog here. His bass is upfront Yes style in many places and he sings his butt off. The guy is amazing. Roine's guitar is front and center throughout
and it is a showcase for Mike. If your a fan of one of the guys and you listen to anything they put out... this album will not disappoint you. The production
is also outstanding. I think it sounds better than all the recent releases by these guys.
If I have an issue it would be that there isn't a spot where it breaks down into being something quiet for a more prolonged period of time. Meaning that it
is a loud rock and roll show and it would have been nice if they broke down into something quiet with a bit of improv to it. Also, the ending is a little Lord
of the Rings with multiple SiYS endings that verge on cheese knowing that he edited a bit of what was probably some very overt Christian lyrics. I also know
the more I listen to it the more I won't care.
I think it may be better than BAF on the first listen. I think it is better than Lifeline and I think Lifeline is great. To say it is better than
Marillion's Happiness is the Road is a hard call as it is so different. I think it is better than most of the last Dream Theater and I think it stomps all
over the last Flower Kings disc. It brings me back to the days of BAF when I would suggest that these guys should abandon there current gigs and make TA their
permanent band. I also remind myself after hearing BAF saying, what could they possibly follow it up with. This is about as good an answer as they could have
made. I know I will be living it on the road for weeks and weeks.
Have no hesitation in buying this set. Up next: the new TRIPLE live Neal! W00T!
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I'm listening for the first time, and am really enjoying what I'm hearing (having been disappointed by the last two Neal prog releases). It has a
certain depth to the sound that is often missing on Neal's solo work, and I like that. Really meaty sounds... and a LOT to take in on first listen,
it'll need repeated listens before I can get into detail about it. My first thought is it does tend to remind me of Roine's over-bloated Flower King
Albums, though. I'm enjoying it, yet I'm waiting to get some air as well.
Don't have mine yet. I only liked about half of Lifeline when I first got it, but now I like nearly all the songs. I knew from that disc that Neal was
leaning back towards a more TA style of writing. I'm also surprised to hear it's very up tempo throughout. Figured they would have some slower bits to
give themselves a break if they ever played it live (can you imagine the Whirlwind as an opening song? The audience would be too whirlwinded to respond!).
That's the reaction for listening to this album, methinks: "You've just been Whirlwinded!"
Glad to hear Pete and Roine are more prominent and it sounds like everyone contributed to the writing.
I'm concerned about the repetitive ending though. For me, SiYS ends at around the 25 min mark, and that's pretty much how it plays out live.
As long as the lyrics aren't too repetitive, I can don't mind the Christian overtones, though I understand how some on this board may bristle at them.
I'm not too crazy about Jon Anderson's new agey lyrics sometimes, or Neil Peart's anti-religion lyrics.
The long version: I've had the chance to listen to Whirlwind a handful of times now - not quite a full PRAT, but I think good enough to make some general
comments. I went into the listening experience conscious of one thing, and something we probably all ought to keep in mind as we listen: that this is no longer
2001. I can't approach Transatlantic with the same perspective I had in those heady days, or put aside Neal's musical output and his comments on
Transatlantic in the intervening years. No album, no matter how good, can recreate a moment in time perfectly. Nor can I can I say I wasn't a bit cynical
when I heard about the reunion itself; given Neal's god-given orders to leave the band and the current financial climate (not to mention Neal's
less-than-stellar recent solo efforts) I concluded pretty early on this was musical project driven by the need for money and not the need to say something
fresh. I may be entirely wrong. My pessimism wasn't soothed when I heard that Neal had dusted off a Christian solo album to remake into a TA album - you
know, after 8 years, would it have been too much to ask for something totally new?
Putting aside these concerns, however, I can say that the new TA CD is a modest success. Yes, much of the lyrical content is informed by Christian traditions
and evangelical dogma. While Jesus himself does not appear, God does and there are many thinly-veiled references to "him" as the source of
forgiveness, glory, and so on. There's plenty of talk, as we've come to expect from Neal, of things being lost then found, things in the dark coming
into the light, things being chosen and being cast out. There's lots of talk of heaven, and Neal occasionally falls back on lyrical motifs that we've
all heard many times by now in his solo catalog - frozen souls, opening doors, flying high, you know the routine. But on a positive note, there are some
refreshingly original lyrics here, too. The vocal harmonies are beautifully recorded and mixed, which helps lift the words up a bit.
Every band member gives a stellar performance, of course, and in the style you've come to expect from each. But this is TA, so less than perfect
musicianship is not an option. It's nice to hear more of Pete on the bass, and Mike...well, Mike is Mike, but he does his thing with style and energy, and
personally I never grow tired of his drumming. I think Roine's guitar parts are more subtle than on the previous TA releases, which made it harder for me
not to think of this as a Neal solo album with guest stars. The music itself is probably closest to Sola Scriptura, not a big surprise since I believe it was
written around that same time, but a shade more upbeat.
I'm generally happy with the album, but I think my enthusiasm mostly comes from the fact that TA are recording again. If this were released in 2002, it
would have been a major disappointment. But as I said, it's 2009 and after 8 years it's nice to hear the kings of prog play again. I'm looking at
this album as a modest, somewhat uneven start for a new phase in TA's career, with (hopefully) more solid albums to follow. I'll be pleased if on
subsequent releases, they start with a totally new concept, perhaps write more cooperatively, and push themselves a little further to do something really
different.
"Let me guess: My theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - Doctor Who
Good points, but let me add another. Many people complain about Neal's lyrics as of late, often saying that they want him to go back to the more
"vaguely spiritual" lyrical days of, say, Snow. Well "God" is mentioned in Snow as well, and more than once. I would say that the new TA
album has parts pretty much on par with parts of Snow (in particular the song "I Will Go") in terms of lyrical spiritual content.
Also, let the lyrics mean what you want them to you, regardless of how Neal wrote them. Let's say for example that the line "Everybody needs a king,
everybody needs a captain" from Duel with the Devil was written by Roine, and written about the Dahli Lahma (not saying it was, I'm speaking
hypothetically). That wouldn't make me like it any less as a Christian, I gather my own interpretative enjoyment of it.
I think some of the negative criticism that comes with each new release Neal is involved in is still just bitter feelings for him venturing into the solo
career and abandoning Spock's Beard.
Keep in mind also I think the Whirlwind as Neal originally wrote it was about 45 minutes. A large chunk of that was scrapped, as some showed up on a recent
inner circle cd. And watch the bonus DVD. Most of the Whirlwind by TA was written as a group, it's hardly just a Neal solo cd.
Putting aside these concerns, however, I can say that the new TA CD is a modest success. Yes, much of the lyrical content is informed by Christian traditions
and evangelical dogma. While Jesus himself does not appear, God does and there are many thinly-veiled references to "him" as the source of
forgiveness, glory, and so on. There's plenty of talk, as we've come to expect from Neal, of things being lost then found, things in the dark coming
into the light, things being chosen and being cast out. There's lots of talk of heaven, and Neal occasionally falls back on lyrical motifs that we've
all heard many times by now in his solo catalog
How is this different from All of the Above, We All Need Some Light, Duel with the Devil, Stranger in your Soul, etc etc? If it wasn't a problem then, why
is it a problem now? Why point it out? The only reason why people are noticing these things now is because there has been a Christian label slapped onto Neal
and it has become a fad in the prog community for the past few years to ridicule something based on general principle.
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[...Keep in mind also I think the Whirlwind as Neal originally wrote it was about 45 minutes. A large chunk of that was scrapped, as some showed up on a recent
inner circle cd. And watch the bonus DVD. Most of the Whirlwind by TA was written as a group, it's hardly just a Neal solo cd...]
If you watch the DVD you will also see that they jumped in improving stuff from the beginning which they worked on and used. They used song material from Roine
and Mike goes on at length about the tremendous input from Pete on the arrangements and being a real driving force in writing parts and getting himself into
the work as much as any of them. Also one of the main songs about Neal's dad was a last minute contribution that they worked in. So while it based on a
huge hunk of work from Neal, it is not all Neal's stuff. There is no hiding the fact that this piece was originally intended as a Neal Christian piece -
we've known that since Neal first talked about working on The Whirlwind. None of the guys had issue with that - obviously - and Neal agreed quite
graciously to trim any direct and overt references to God or Jesus.
As also stated by thefujicory, it's not like BAF wasn't full of Neal's spirituality as well. Neal even said that SiYS is about the Holy Ghost. He
is even seen in the DVD extras of Live In Europe discussing the spiritual meaning of his lyrics with Roine who is also a very spiritually minded guy. In DWtD
there are references as well as SCP.
For me though its about the interplay of the guys. I've been a fan of Pete's and Marillion since 'Script...' back in the early 80's and to
see him really showcased here is great. His vocals always blend well with Neal and his bass playing here is up front and dynamic. Roine, who is really more of
contemporary with Pete than Neal and Mike, is also really singing well here and lays down a lot of great Roine sound scapes and his lead work is all over the
album. For their performances alone, any fan would be wise to check this disc out. Mike for me is a little heavy handed on the cymbals here, but live it would
be awesome to see him actually replicate his parts. Neal's lyrics may be a little OTT but his vocals are really strong. He sings his butt off on this disc.
Also when I said it doesn't have a prolonged quiet bit, I meant as in the beginning of Octavarium or Shine On You Crazy Diamond. There are quiet bits and
slow bits, but they often ramp up quickly into big drums or big guitar. It might have been nice if there was a part in the middle where they could really
stretch out on a Pink Floyd groove thing like Echoes or something... but that's just me...
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I wonder why Neal (evidently) cut "For Such a Time" from the title track, but then included it on the second disc anyway. It's a nice little
song, and it would have been a welcome breather in an otherwise unrelenting 77 minutes.
tambermelon wrote:
I wonder why Neal (evidently) cut "For Such a Time" from the title track, but then included it on the second disc anyway. It's a nice little
song, and it would have been a welcome breather in an otherwise unrelenting 77 minutes.
I'm not sure, but it is very interesting that it is a very direct "God" song performed TA (with a writing credit to Pete as well)... They could
have found a place for a quiet patch - an eye in the storm as it were.
But I must say here... we should not dismiss these tracks as 'bonus' tracks. The first two are very good Roine songs that could easily have been
dropped into the Whirlwind. The Neal song, being so direct is kind of out of place thematically, but still a good song, and the Pete song is very good as well.
The icing on the cake are the cover songs.
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Some points I wanted to reply to have already been answered by others: Neal's orginal Whirlwind demo was 45 minutes, and at least half of that wasn't
used because he released those as demo's on the latest Inner Circle cd. Also, on the DVD and in the latest IC newsletter, it becomes clear that many themes
and song parts came from Roine and Pete. So it's obviously not true he dusted off a 'christian solo album'.
The comment that Neal got TransAtlantic back together for financial reasons is quite the blunt statement. Do you have any facts to support his? I personally
don't believe it. I think Neal has been doing quite well lately, selling albums and having a pretty large Inner Circle base.
I agree on what you said about the lyrics: it has become a bit less covert than on the previous two TA disc, but I'm not too bothered by it. I would have
liked it better if it was more subtle though (and that's coming from a Christian).
I didn't even consider the release of more TA albums in the future, would be great!
timitos wrote:
PoorMrRain's post made me retrieve my password.
The comment that Neal got TransAtlantic back together for financial reasons is quite the blunt statement. Do you have any facts to support his? I personally
don't believe it. I think Neal has been doing quite well lately, selling albums and having a pretty large Inner Circle base.
I didn't even consider the release of more TA albums in the future, would be great!
It's actually kind of funny, the idea that Neal would be 'cashing in' on an indy prog rock release like this. That this was the ace in the hole,
secret honeypot of cash when all else failed. Like they almost didn't record because the big boy's (Mike and Pete's) schedules weren't matching
up. To think the great sell out is the few thousand CD's they might shift of this release is really funny. Looking at Neal's home studio and pro tools
set up and his engineer, the regular trips to Europe, I'd say he's doing very well with his home business. If he wanted to 'cash in' and sell
out - the CCM world awaits. Seriously. To 'sell out' for cash is not to continue making niche music for a very small select crowd. If Neal really
wanted to sell out for cash he'd be pumping out over blown super sweet CCM praise tapes that require no brain input what so ever. Talk about making the
same record over and over again...